Anders Andersen

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  Stephen Lett at our assembly today

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

  wife typed up the whole thing.

  i will be posting when i get a chance.

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  Anders Andersen

  @BrandNew,

  Spilling perfectly good beer is an instant DFing offense in my world....
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  Will the GB ever do this?

  by why144000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi, not sure if this has been covered.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-13/peter-hollingworth-says-sorry-to-victims-child-abuse-brisbane/6939804.

  i don't have much time for peter hollingworth.

  he has always acted like a pompous prick when i have met him or seen him on tv however he humbled himself and made an apology for his actions and the actions of the church.. any bets on if the gb would ever do this?.

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  Anders Andersen

  Nope.

  Best they can do might be something like:

  "Some brothers and sisters may have been too eager on concluding that all rumors about unclean conduct involving minors are apostate lies. However, Jehovah has used the GB during many years to warn parents to protect their children. Unfortunately some did not obey these wise words."
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  How the Internet is Destroying Mormonism

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting video, shame it wasn't about jws.

  http://youtu.be/-1bdbkjbzzy.

  what a would be your top 5 shocking things you found out about jws on the internet?.

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  Anders Andersen

  @Millie210,

  Can you explain about the Malawi non-issue?
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  @DJ,

  I agree. You use a lot of words though ;-)

  I described my feeling of JW being 'evidence-driven' from my former still-in-JW point of view.

  I now really know that are talking rubbish regardless of what evidence they think they have, and that their evidence is just unsubstantiated claims about unsubstantiated ancient claims...
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  Anders Andersen

  @prologos
  

  Are atheists not convinced that the Universe made itself, that life is self-started?

  Both theists and atheists must accept that life is self-started. Either because spiritual life self-started with God's existence, or because carbon-based life self-started.

  So everyone in this universe must be convinced life self-started, in whatever form.

  and they look for, manufacture (not faking) evidence to bolster their conviction, --through scientific research.

  No, scientists are looking for explanations that fit the evidence already found.

  And then they look for any and all evidence they can find to either confirm or dismiss the proposed explanation.

  Scientists being both theists and atheists.

  Do you honestly belief that all theist and Christian scientists really want to prove God doesn't exist? Scientists couldn't care less about that, because it's not a subject they investigate.

  Or are you claiming all scientists are atheist? In that case you are very mistaken.

  WT believers bolster their convictions bymanufactured data too.

  Please please please tell me you were drunk when writing this.

  I really hope you don't seriously think the scientific processes that brought you all technological advancements and all of human knowledge are the same processes that make the dishonest liars we call Watchtower make up their beliefs out of thin air...

  If you do think that, please educate yourself on how the scientific process works.
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  Anders Andersen

  I have to agree with both Cofty/CodedLogic and SBF.

  As far as religions go, I have always seen JW as being evidence-driven, as opposed to those all-vague-and-miraculous-spiritual religions. I took pride in knowing on what my belief was founded, while others just believe because they believe, or because it feels right.

  I always knew JW can even back their religion up with scientific evidence (eg proving the flood, disproving evolution etc.)

  In that respect, JW beliefs are very materialistic, like many atheist viewpoints.

  A discussion between JW and atheist might be fact based (although the JW will not know any relevant facts, nor accept them if they contradict his beliefs).

  A discussion between a non-JW theist and an atheist is basically a discussion between two-dimensional Flatlanders and 3D Earthlings: they are each having a discussion in completely different realms. The Christian theist will speak about revelation, personal conversion, knowing Jesus personally etc.etc. in a way a JW will never do.

  On the other hand, JW have no idea what science is about (I know that now), and they believe in supernatural Magic SkyDaddy whose existence is completely unproven, and all kind of non-materialistic bullsh#t.

  Anyway, I'm glad JW are somewhat (twisted) evidence driven: once I researched the contradicting evidence I was out. In other religions I would still be in based on having Jesus in my heart or something like that.
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  Your Favorite Poetry

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thank you, dear friends, for expressing your thoughts today on the importance of the arts in your lives.

  many years ago, a number of threads were devoted to poetry, literature, even english grammar.

  rather than resurrect an old thread -- usually with zero results -- i would like to introduce a new post, asking you to add some of your favorite verse.

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  @SBF,

  Tried to find the LostLove poem. I can only find one by Robert Graves.

  
  Is this the one you meant?

  His eyes are quickened so with grief,
  He can watch a grass or leaf
  Every instant grow; he can
  Clearly through a flint wall see,
  Or watch the startled spirit flee
  From the throat of a dead man.
  ...

  
  
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  Your Favorite Poetry

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thank you, dear friends, for expressing your thoughts today on the importance of the arts in your lives.

  many years ago, a number of threads were devoted to poetry, literature, even english grammar.

  rather than resurrect an old thread -- usually with zero results -- i would like to introduce a new post, asking you to add some of your favorite verse.

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  Anders Andersen

  The following poem has always been my favorite.

  And being reminded of it now (thinks for that), gives it a whole new meaning, fresh ex-JW.

  Whenever I read it, it is accompanied by this song playing in my head.

  I just love that melancholic feeling of making a choice and then not knowing what you're missing from the other options you had.

  Isn't that appropriate....

  
  

  The Road Not Taken

  BY ROBERT FROST
  
  Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
  And sorry I could not travel both
  And be one traveler, long I stood
  And looked down one as far as I could
  To where it bent in the undergrowth;
  
  Then took the other, as just as fair,
  And having perhaps the better claim,
  Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
  Though as for that the passing there
  Had worn them really about the same,
  
  And both that morning equally lay
  In leaves no step had trodden black.
  Oh, I kept the first for another day!
  Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
  I doubted if I should ever come back.
  
  I shall be telling this with a sigh
  Somewhere ages and ages hence:
  Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
  I took the one less traveled by,
  And that has made all the difference.

  
  
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  Preaching? For what purpose? All JW's need to ask this question.

  by park ave boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what is the purpose of preaching if not for converts?.

  basically, preaching by the jw's is to make converts.

  this in itself implies that jehovah's witnesses believe that they alone have the only acceptable way to god and that everyone else is just not worthy.

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  Anders Andersen

  Just saw an illusionist getting a 'victim' drunk on drinking empty glasses.

  Two steps he explained:

  1. He had the victim vividly imagine each drink he had in much detail.
  2. He had him say whatever he imagined out loud. This makes people believe their own imaginated experience.

  
  

  JW do just this: imagine life in paradise, and then tell others about that.

  Who cares trying to make converts...failed circus is meant to make JW believe their imaginary future....

  
  

  And if someone can believe to be drunk in 5 minutes, guess what people can believe given a lifetime of indoctrination starting at birth....
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  The slow trickle has become a steady stream!

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in the last few weeks it seems that instead of one or two new posters a week we seem to be getting several every day.

  many seem to be long time jw's who are troubled by the path of the organisation.

  this is really encouraging to those of us who have been here sometime.. welcome!

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  Anders Andersen

  @Simon,

  Do you have some statistics about new accounts?

  Maybe a nice graph showing new registrations over time?

  :-D